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The Cachelot
Friday, July 30, 2004
  Killer Rabbit


God Almighty, it's back!  Help!  Someone
whack it with an oar, quick!!! 
   
                                    








 
# Posted by The Cachelot @ 1:37 PM
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Tuesday, July 27, 2004
  Quoting Bedlam (some more)
 

I'm dropping in a few more from the twilight zone of Free
Republic before moving on to forums of a slightly different
flavour.   Though I don't know, I've been getting quite a
few submissions regarding the FR Twilight Zone.

Anyway, let's get on with it.

We control the horizontal.
We control the vertical. 
Don't move.

In my experience, the absence of a fact does not prove it's
negastive. Sorry rapture fans.
--Bob J (Huh??)

I have hand-entertained you twice.
-- A Navy Vet (Spectacle)

Until things change, I say strike while the starch is fresh in
the primary skeletal structure.
-- Bob J (Too much laundry)

And one from elsewhere, just for fun:

Make all money orders to Church of Jesus Christ-Christian
Please call to find out if transpiration will be available.
-- Aryan Nations World Congress flier

 
# Posted by The Cachelot @ 3:10 AM
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Monday, July 26, 2004
  Give that man an ....
 

From Jerusalem Post comes a strange bit of information about
HRH Prince Charles.  In an article by Judy Siegel-Itzkovich,
link here  (registration required) we find this:

It isn't every day that a senior British physician chastises Prince
Charles. But Prof. Michael Baum, a breast cancer expert, has
taken the prince to task for "promoting unproven cures for cancer"
such as coffee enemas and carrot juice.
 

"It is important to remember to let the coffee
COOL OFF first. Make a note of it."
 


 
# Posted by The Cachelot @ 1:58 AM
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Sunday, July 25, 2004
  Quotable Quotes, and Winged too
 

Sigh. I was thinking that the "winged" quotes column
would be manageable, but on the very first pass over
the forum "FreeRepublic" my hopes in that respect
were thoroughly dashed.

This is just a small sampling. And they aren't all winged.
Some are just sad, or disturbing, or appalling.

Next up will be ... another forum.

Weird and wonderful:

Just because you don't like us here doesn't mean you'll
be run off, as long as you make a sincere effort to debate
and conversate.
-- LincolnLover (Conversator)

You need to meet my wife and daughters. They are
strong women I have trained to be that way.
-- B4Ranch (Womantrainer)

Supporting amendments to the Constitution is tantamount
to not supporting it.
-- Bob J (Businessperson/Pizzast)


On the Jews :

...What was condemnable in the Jews was not that they
asserted the divinity of their law, for that they did
with substantial sincerity and truth. Their crime is to
have denied the equal prerogative of other nations' laws
and deities, for this they did, not from critical insight
or intellectual scruples, but out of pure bigotry, conceit,
and stupidity. They did not want other nations to have a
god.
-- SwimmingUpstream (Philosopher)

Since the 1930s, a preponderance of American traitors
have been jews.
--Cynicom (Preponderast)

The US has gone to the wall for Israel again and again -
only to be repaid with US technology confronting us in
the hardware of the PRC. The US has been extremely
tolerant of Israel's excesses, understanding the extreme
circumstances in which Israel finds itself.

Attitudes like yours strain that forbearance to its breaking
point.
--Wideawake (Eyes wide shut)

The only act I respect Bubba for was his double crossing
of Bibi on this matter.
--Wheezer (Grab hold, suck air)

Israel's been bleeding my paycheck for years - why not
my family?
-- Wideawake (Still bleeding)


I think you are pretty well self-describing your fellow Jews
who are all for ethnic cleansing in Palestine-a nation of
people who are for the most part unarmed and defenseless
against a modern occupying military power such as Israel.

After they finish off the Palestinians they will likely
get to Harlem next, and when they get brave enough to take
the hoods off there will likely be a dinky little skull cap
underneath.
--StopTheDonkey (Disturbed)


Pollard never told who else was there working with him.
He is lucky USA is not like Israel otherwise he would be
tortured for the information.
--luvzhottea (Traditional Conservatism)


No, he wasn't, but in case he was, it's time to free Pollard
and...

1. Peel him.
2. Quarter him.
3. Leave him in the sun to become part of the trail mix.
--Harrowup (Admiral/Straitjacket Testperson)


Every time a column is published calling for Pollard's
release, we should comply and release a sizeable chunk
of his body.
-- Dog Gone (Got Kibbles?)


I wish I could shoot Pollard. I don't know exactly how I
would do it. Sometimes a head shot is best. If you do it
right, the dead body goes into a dramatic rapid quiver,
kind of shaking all over the place. Maybe in the lungs.
With a lung shot, you get this frothy blood filled with
air coming out of the wound. A spine shot from a distant
is very satisfying. The target loses all movement in its
lower body and just drags along for awhile. A gut shot is
not very satisfying. The sound of the bullet entry is muted
and not near as dramatic as the sound of the bullet crashing
through bone. Gut shots can be very smelly and the victim
just kind of bleeds to death. They can be messy too depending
on the last meal. After giving it some thought, maybe a knife
would be better. The sound of Pollard wheezing for breath as
the blood flows out of his throat artery would be compelling.
-- Lock & Load (Disturbed II) 

Comment: Lock & Load kept going for a year or so after
this post, getting worse, before finally disappearing off
the board.  All the others are current.

Diplomatic Relations 

On behalf of the Free Republic Network and the 55 chapters
it represents, I sent an email to PW asking if they wanted
to partner with us (and other groups) this September 11th
on our National March Against Terror. I didn't get a response.
-- Bob J (Frank Burns mode)


BTW Falcon, I am not trying to be negative about this, only
realistic. As I said, it has been discussed by the FRN Board,
Exec Team and the chapter leaders. Although I agreed with
the conclusions, I'm just the messneger here.
-- Bob J (Exec Team After Eight Mode)

BTW - I'm a registered member of PW.
-- Bob J (Preening)

I will start by having a few high-level talks with belly girl,
and we'll see where that takes us.
-- krb (Drooling)

You get a life. This is a stupid idea, and you should be happy
that people are giving you the kindness of being playful with
it.
-- krb (No date with Bellygirl)

I didn't see anything about this event at the PW site.
-- Bob J (Confused)

ONLY "REGISTERED" MEMBERS CAN ACTUALLY LOG
INTO THE AREA CALLED: "OPERATIONS IN PROGRESS".....
-- GeorgeW23225 (to Bob J)
 
And that, gentlebeeings, is what is called a smackdown.

 
# Posted by The Cachelot @ 5:19 PM
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  Cachelot's list of Kook's definitions
 

Welcome to Cachelot's dictionary of kook-based
spellings and misdefinitions. The Garden Variety
Kook's head is a rich source of idle amusement,
and I feel it would be wrong of me to let this
cultural resource go unharvested.

This is a column that will be updated from time
to time, and it will eventually be joined by a
collection of winged (or maybe wingshot) quotes
from the land of the less mentally nimble, duly
credited and maintained.

Thanks go to posters on Libertyforum.org,
Libertypost.org and FreeRepublic.com (so far).




ORIGINALALTERED STATE
AntisemiticAnti-semetic
Anti-semeticSomeone the Jews dislike
Bated breathBaited breath
BilderbergerBildeberger
ClosemindedClosed-minded
ConverseConversate
CopyrightCopywrite
EmanateEmulate
FascismFacism
ForewordForeward
Free SpeechFree Speach
GeniusGenuis
JewsNeocons
JudaismJudiasm
Martial lawMarshal law
PornographyPornagrapy
PrivilegedPriviledged
PseudoPsuedo
PsychoPhysco
SiteSight
ViciousViscious
WaistWaste
WeirdWierd


We also want to give recognition to the most
daring "altered state" definition ever
seen in the annals of activism:



Marital Aid                Nose
(Double-Dipper?)
Two nos are better than one.











 
# Posted by The Cachelot @ 2:06 AM
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Thursday, July 22, 2004
  Hotpants and Facedildos


Idly poking around the net looking at the antics
of Sandy "Hotpants" Berger. He's been caught
with his hand in the cookie jar. Ironically, so
has the website "Free Republic".

From "The American Spectator" comes this little
gem:

I realize that the "Editorial business"
department isn't where this matter will
be dealt with, but trust you'll pass in
along if appropriate.

I enjoy your website and don't like seeing
your material stolen and doubt TAS does either,
so I thought you might like to know that TAS-
copyrighted material is being routinely
republished in full without permission at
FreeRepublic.com. An article entitled "Sloppy
Berger" is the most recent example.

-- Donna Gruber
Miami Shores, Florida

Of course, some inquisitive "freeper" (the
generic name for an inhabitant of the website
"Free Republic"), perhaps on a scavenging trip,
found it. And posted it on Free Republic, here.

What comes next is predictable. Some are calling
Jim Robinson, "The Man", who duly comes around and
makes sneering noises. Some are trying to track
down the miscreant from Florida by means of search
tools. Information about email-address and website
is published, some of it obviously wrong. Some
silly ideas about hurting this person's livelyhood
are aired (the freepers think she's a seller on eBay).
One posts a nasty picture adorned with the name of
this new enemy of the state of freep. The thread
dies in a sulk.

Of course, this isn't unusual or the first time
the "freepers" go a bit haywire. For example,
there was that occasion when an underage Jenna
Bush was stopped from buying drinks by some uppity
bar manager. That time, personal information on
both the unlucky bar manager and her small child
was posted. And the site was fairly boiling
with suggestions for what punishment ought to
befall the restaurant daring to enforce the law.
If I remember, arson and acid were two of them.

So the place was always sort of balancing on the
edge of something rather nasty. The redeeming
feature was that apart from the hoodlum pablum,
there were some very bright people who kept it a
bit in balance. Sadly, most of the folks with an
IQ over 90 are gone. Some just drifted away to
other places. Some were banned when criticizing
the forum's stubborn backing of a cadre of anti-
semites (some of whom has been active from 1998-99
until present time). Some were banned for backing
GW Bush at a time when Mr. Robinson felt otherwise,
if what I've been told is true. Some probably got
fed up being involved in a bona fide internet
cult. It tends to be expensive in many ways.

So now the political activism on the site - which
at one time actually played an important role in a
presidential election - is at an ebb, and sometimes
ludicrous. Much of it seems to revolve around
begging for money ($50.000-60.000 per quarter to
keep the site lights on, which doesn't always
succeed) on Free Republic proper. And there is
the "Free Republic Network", run by someone whose
idea of political activism is appearing in public
with a dildo attached to his nose. No, I'm not
joking. I have the pictures to prove it.

And of course, when offered a chance to step on to
the coattails of an organization, the ProtestWarriors,
which is currently garnering a great deal of goodwill
and even admiration in conservative circles, he
queered it. Read and weep:

The PW are a great group and do wonderful work,
but let's admit it, they are mostly young college
kids with no assets (like a home) to protect. Most
FR members simply cannot afford to put themselves
and their families in that kind of situation.


Of course, Bob, you could give them costume advice.

On second thought, maybe not. They might laugh
at you. And ponder the liabilities of following
a guy with a dildo on his nose into some place
with families and kids.

 
# Posted by The Cachelot @ 12:07 PM
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Monday, July 19, 2004
 
PUPPETMASTERS

Terje Roed Larsen, Kerry impersonator.


Many puppetmasters. Many puppets. Many lowdown, scumsucking, bottomfeeding, slime ingesting,abhorrent, abject, abominable, arrant, atrocious, awful, barfy, base, beastly, beggarly, below contempt, beneath contempt, blameworthy, brutal, cheesy, contemptible, crappy, crude, crummy, debased, degraded, deplorable, depraved, despicable, detestable, dire, dirty, distasteful, dreadful, egregious, enormous, execrable, fecal, feculent, fetid, filthy, flagrant, flyblown, forbidding, foul, fulsome, gloppy, grave, grievous, gross, gunky, hateful, heinous, horrible, horrid, icky, ignoble, infamous, lamentable, little, loathsome, lousy, low, low-down, lumpen, maggoty, malodorous, mangy, mean, measly, mephitic, miasmal, miasmic, miserable, monstrous, mucky, nasty, nauseating, nefarious, noisome, notorious, noxious, objectionable, obnoxious, obscene, odious, offensive, ordurous, outrageous, paltry, petty, pitiable, pitiful, poky, poor, puky, putrid, rank, rebarbative, regrettable, repellent, reprehensible, reptilian, repugnant, repulsive, revolting, rotten, sad, scabby, scandalous, schlock, scrubby, scruffy, scummy, scurfy, scurvy, shabby, shameful, shitty, shocking, shoddy, sickening, slabby, slimy, sloppy, sloshy, sludgy, slushy, small, sordid, sposhy, squalid, stinking, terrible, too bad, unappetizing, unclean, unmentionable, unsavory, vile, villainous, vomity, woeful, wormy, worst, worthless, wretched, yecchy, and I'm not finished.

Going Going

Gone!



DESPICABLE:

Pronunciation: 'despikubul


Matching Terms: despicableness, despicably


Definition: [adj] morally reprehensible; "would do something as despicable as murder"; "ugly crimes"; "the vile development of slavery appalled them"

[adj] worthy only of being despised and rejected; "a contemptible lack of courage"; "A little, wretched, despicable creature, a worm, a mere nothing...that has risen up in contempt against the majesty of Heaven and earth"- Jonathan Edwards

Synonyms: contemptible, evil, ignoble, ugly, unworthy, vile, wicked

Definition: \Des"pi*ca*ble\, a. [L. despicabilis, fr. despicari
to despise; akin to despicere. See {Despise}.]

Fit or deserving to be despised; contemptible; mean; vile;
worthless; as, a despicable man; despicable company; a
despicable gift.


Syn: Contemptible; mean; vile; worthless; pitiful; paltry;

sordid; low; base. See {Contemptible}.


Add this, and you have the democratic candidate and the most far left loonies of the entire party: abhorrent, abject, abominable, arrant, atrocious, awful, base, beastly, beggarly, below contempt, beneath contempt, blameworthy, brutal, cheap, cheesy, common, contemptible, crude, crummy, debased, degraded, deplorable, depraved, detestable, dire, dirty, disgraceful, disgusting, disreputable, dreadful, egregious, enormous, execrable, fetid, filthy, flagrant, forbidding, foul, fulsome, gaudy, gimcracky, grave, grievous, gross, hateful, heinous, horrible, horrid, ignoble, ignominious, infamous, lamentable, little, loathsome, lousy, low, low-down, lumpen, malodorous, mangy, mean, measly, mephitic, meretricious, miasmal, miasmic, miserable, monstrous, nasty, nauseating, nefarious, noisome, notorious, noxious, objectionable, obnoxious, obscene, odious, offensive, outrageous, paltry, pathetic, petty, pitiable, pitiful, poky, poor, rank, rebarbative, regrettable, repellent, reprehensible, reptilian, repugnant, repulsive, revolting, rotten, rubbishy, sad, scabby, scandalous, schlock, scrubby, scruffy, scummy, scurvy, scuzzy, shabby, shameful, shameless, shocking, shoddy, sickening, small, sordid, sorry, squalid, stinking, terrible, too bad, trashy, trumpery, two-for-a-cent, two-for-a-penny, twopenny, twopenny-halfpenny, ugly, unclean, unmentionable, valueless, vile, villainous, woeful, worst, worthless, wretched.

Did I forget to add Arrogant?

Sez Nitzana



 
# Posted by After Midnight @ 5:33 PM
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  Puppets and Masters

"And like the ventriloquist's dummies, they sit there
in the puppet master's voice, but we can see whose
lips are moving, and we can hear his money talk."
-- Julian Bond, NAACP


Indeed, Mr. Bond and Mr. Mfume. And Mr. Tereza Heinz.


 

Some of Mrs. Lurch's "Tides Foundation" talking money:

Campaign for Communities a partnership comprised of the
Earth Day Network and its partners NAACP National Voter
Fund, Project Voter and the Southwest Voter Registration
and Education Project. This project is coordinating
national voter registration efforts aimed at young people,
specifically in African American and Latino communities:

$155,000

NAACP National Voter Fund's Empowerment 2004 will register
and mobilize African American voters through a nationally
coordinated campaign built on an increasing the strength of
local partners and affiliates. Targeted states include Ohio,
Florida, Missouri, New Mexico and Pennsylvania.

$50,000
 
Is that a string I see there, Lurch??




 
# Posted by The Cachelot @ 8:36 AM
|
Friday, July 16, 2004
  Kiwis


Kiwis have been in the news lately. The place is
getting a bit of fame for two things: art and
antisemitism.

Here's a picture of New Zealand's national bird:



Here's another New Zealand bird: 

                


The one on top looks silly.  But is probably smarter
than the bottom one.

Shazam!! Meet the Rt. Honorable Helen Clark, prime
minister of New Zealand (and queen of silly birds?).

Clark has had her hands full lately, what with the
country being overrun by Mossad agents in pursuit of
kiwian passports. Uriel Zoshe Kelman and Eli Cara may
not be from Mossad - it is more probable that they are
garden variety criminals - but that doesn't keep the
PM from hotly demanding an official apology from Israel.
And of course, on the heels of the official outrage with
the pesky Israelis, there's a Jewish cemetery being
vandalized.


So we read that "New Zealand.. has no history of
antisemitism, with only occasional acts of vandalism
against Jewish buildings". Thank goodness! Only
occasional antisemitism!

Meanwhile, looking into the prime minister's
background, I came across the curious story of
Clark and the arts. It's a strange one, and sort
of makes you wonder if it's a spoof or not:

Prime Minister Helen Clark will not face criminal
charges for signing an artwork she did not paint,
despite a police investigation establishing she has
a case to answer.


If true, the story describes a person with a weird
relationship with reality. Take it with a grain of
salt or garlic or something.

But then again, there's this:

ACT New Zealand Arts, Culture and Heritage
Spokesman Deborah Coddington demanded that
Prime Minister Helen Clark explain just why she
thinks it's a good idea to spend $500,000 on a
port-a-loo that makes donkey noises, and then
explodes, in the name of art.


Now, Ms. Coddington might want to consider the
possibility that this patriotic artist and the
artistic PM had a clever plan to draw even more
Mossad agents out of the woodwork. $500.000 is
pocket change in this context - uncovering the
sinister Israeli capabilites being built into
a common software interface:



 
# Posted by The Cachelot @ 2:51 PM
|
Wednesday, July 14, 2004
  The wages of sin


The Palestinian Authority on Wednesday declared
UN Middle East envoy Terje Roed-Larsen persona
non grata and accused him of being biased to
Israel.

The decision, the first of its kind since the
establishment of the PA, was taken after Larsen,
a longtime friend of PA Chairman Yasser Arafat,
publicly criticized him for failing to implement
reforms and stop the violence.



Collaborator?? Who? Me???


Oh shut up, you pigmonkey. You promised!!!!

As I said, the wages of sin. Those are frequently
harsh and unexpected. For all of his trouble to
undercut the Jewish state and give Arafat the tools
to kill Jews, Terje now finds himself dangling in
a place where no Euro jihad enabler wish to be.

Fatwah next? But please don't come home, Terje.
You've been declared persona non grata.

 
# Posted by The Cachelot @ 8:00 PM
|
  Software musings


In the ongoing series about the FreeRepublic,
the time has come for a question about software
design. I said I wouldn't just be looking at
the background hum of bigotry, disagreeable
as that is. There are other issues.

The board is driven by a product (FocusForum)
developed by Robinson-DeFehr consulting. The
product seems to have been "in development"
since at least 2000, and as of this date I don't
believe I have ever seen it offered for sale.
As things stand, Jim Robinson and his son John
runs the FreeRepublic and John is responsible
for the software - which does not seem to be
publicly available. It is listed on the web-
site of Robinson-DeFehr consulting as a "current
project".

There are many software products available for
bulletin boards. But the FreeRepublic site (a
major board with many thousands of active members)
is using a proprietary product offering no public
transparency. Basically, in regard to certain
security issues, they're saying: This is safe.
Trust us. When you send a private message to
another member, there is no way an administrator
can look at it. Your mail is private.

Just an example.

Now, they might be right. But it would be nice
if there was a way of knowing that. That way
exist with commercial software, in the fact that
the public uses it, flaws quickly become exposed
and fixes are found and distributed, etc.

So, some questions:


 
# Posted by The Cachelot @ 4:24 PM
|
Monday, July 12, 2004
  Drip.....


Seeing that we have no answer from the
erstwhile proprietor of that home of...
all kinds of ... hmmmm... anyway, the
so called "conservative" chatboard of
repute - Free Republic, I guess I'll go
ahead with a series documenting the never
quiet background noise of antisemitism
in the place. I'll also look a bit at
how cult-like it has become (or was it
always?) and a few other interesting
phenomena.

I'll just start off with a fairly typical
example from yesteryear, featuring a not
yet banned freeper. Drip:

To: astudent

Ya right. The focus of their obsession is Israel.
We are in the crosshairs because the US is
virtually their only international ally. If Israel
were in South America, the twin towers would still
be standing.

2 posted on 3/31/02 10:59 AM Pacific by Bob J

To: kattracks

"They have lost their credibility when they
defend someone who has made such disgusting and
insulting comments."

First NOW and now the JDL. The Clinton carnage
cuts a wide swath.

BTW - The double standard proves there is no
standard at all, only strategy.

12 Posted on 07/17/2000 00:14:11 PDT by Bob J

 
# Posted by The Cachelot @ 11:50 PM
|
Saturday, July 10, 2004
  Annoying question to a forum operator


Politics on the internet is a many-splendored
thing nowadays. There are conservative forums
affording us a voice like we never had before.

Of course, many of these forums have been
overrun by neo-nazist scribblers, jihadists,
"palestinians" from where the outer fringe left
and the outer fringe right meets, and plain
crazies. Any forum not wishing to degenerate
into a cesspool of sedition, antisemitism and
wild-eyed hate has to wield the moderator's
club pretty ruthlessly.

One of the forums claiming a measure of
"legitimacy" is the Free Republic forum
(www.freerepublic.com), run by Mr. Jim
Robinson et al, out of Fresno, California.

Robinson has been known to portray Free Republic
as a different kind of beast from other webforums
more welcoming to a chorus of antisemitic
voices. I have been reading the place quite
a lot lately.

Now, the official line of Free Republic has
alwys been "antisemitism is not welcome here".
And in many instances, a Stormfronter going
about "making his bones" on Free Republic will
be unceremoniously decanted out of there.
However, in many instances nothing of the kind
will happen. Free Republic has a "stable" of
resident posters who are supplying a constant
background din of antisemitic garbage - and
in many cases they are veteran "Freepers",
having been around for years. And enjoying
Mr. Robinson's seeming waiver of the official
"no antisemitism" admonition.

Some examples. I'm not going to mention
handles or name names. Yet.

A couple of years back there was a poster
equally known for his spirited defense for
the right to possess child pornography and
for his frequent postings from nazi sites
like "hoffman-info" (a practice that flies
squarely in the face of Mr. Robinson's
posting rules). After a number of posters
had complained to the site moderators about
this, I received a message from one of these
same moderators. Saying in effect that only
the owner himself could ban that particular
poster from the forum.

That poster has since been banned, but it
took literally years to get around to.

Another example of a now banned critter
might be the site moderator who had links
to "carolontheweb", another renowned anti-
semite on the internet. Another one would
be the poster whose rants on Free Republic
and "LibertyForum" (a mainly antisemitic site)
against "kikes" and "hymie" dismayed Free
Republic posters for years until Mr. Robinson
kicked him off after a bitter fight where
freepers made it clear that keeping him
there might hurt revenues. And Robinson's
parting shot in that showdown was "We don't
want Nazi-hunters here!"

Today, in a situation where Republicans
absolutely need whatever edge they can get
in the fight to keep America out of the
hands of John Kerry and his strange wife,
Free Republic is still keeping its zoo
of resident antisemites while claiming to
be mainstream conservative.

One (having been a "freeper in good standing"
since 2000), will tell you at every opportunity
that Israel is running al Quaida, that Israel
is an enemy of the US, and other theories
usually found on "Jewwatch".

One, registered in 1998, brings a general
message that Zionism should be stamped out.
Oh, and also seems to lay claim to being an
Admiral, a lawyer, a pilot, a communist, a
Democrat, and Jewish - although he seems to
have only the haziest understanding of what
determines if you're Jewish. Of course, the
"I'm Jewish, so I can say this" has been a
neo-nazi ploy for a generation or so.

Another poster, freeper since 1999, will
jump discussions about Jews or Israel with
exhortations and links to white supremacist
preacher Sheldon Emry, his Christian Identity
organization, and others of the same ilk.

So it seems that while Mr. Robinson wants
some (the most obvious and damaging) antisemite
posters gone, he wants some (the ones not too
obvious to unskilled observers?) there.

Now, why is that, Mr. Robinson?


 
# Posted by The Cachelot @ 12:28 AM
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